New posts Search forums. Mono audio was the first of all the (analog) audio formats and formed the basis for radio and analog TV for many years; including vinyl records. Packaging: Nicest packaging and faithful reproduction of the original album. Vinyl. 11-16-2011 at 02:28pm. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. deeper, wider sound field. Sex Lies And Master Tapes, Sep 16, 2022. Nantes, France. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. Bluebook The right price. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. The difference between 24/192 and DSD is that the DSD sounds more analog like, but this is not a huge difference in overall sound quality. I may have to compare the SHM-SACD or other CD versions to this SACD to see if it improves at all on those. 112 posts total. General observations: * The Who - SHM-SACD is quite clean - I can easily move in and out of each track within each song so there is vg clarity. I bought 2 each ten years ago or so. I can hear the difference between CD and vinyl, and between CD quality and high-def audio. just WAY better than either the Blu-Spec CD or regular CD. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. CD. Native DSD64 (SACD) is better still and DSD128 recordings are amazingly good. No change in data , no change in sound , simple as that. Vinyl. I'm hoping that everyone who has voted actually owns both, and are not just excited about the 2016. In the end it really comes down to the transfer and the mastering. onlyconnect, Sep 19, 2020. On the Analogue Productions SACD, the treble cacophony is bathed in a cushion of hall ambience that is far more realistic and less strident. e. SACD tend to be level adjusted a bit higher than other formats,so will sound more impressive on a A/B comparison. They all sound good but the SACD is sublime. It is a high-resolution digital. Mirror Image Forum Resident. e. DJM first pressing vinyl from the UK best of all media. Sucks that there's no general concensus as to which CD is better, aside from the SACD. This is the reason why Pink Floyd did NOT consider Alan Parsons. Also, I believe Testikoff mentioned that the Shm transfer came from a master tape made for vinyl, which is not a good thing IMO. I like Analogue Productions' work, so it should be interesting to hear how they sound. Label: Reprise: Genre: Pop/Rock: Product No. Better than vinyl, better than reel-to-reel, better than CD and even better than DVD-Audio. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Limited Edition Numbered SACD CMOB 2260 SA $29. Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Limited Edition Numbered SACD CMOB 2260 SA $29. Bach's St Matthew's Passion. CD was based on limited video tape storage capacity, and also on 1970s computing power. 1. That old mix was reissued on SACD by Audio Fidelity in 2015, and then it was issued again on Blu-Ray by Rhino in 2017. Merch Rep the community and hobby you love so much. They are not cheap but not the most expensive of the DCC discs. Please login or register an accountlogin or register an accountMoody Blues "Question of bal. Dylan 'Desire' MFSL SACD and vinyl* Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Jack White, Aug 2, 2013. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. The vinyl has a noise rise and a peak around 30 kHz. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. The DCC versions have more punch and bass, but the AP SACD's are more flat and crisp. In the vinyl vs. Ironically, the royalty for an SACD was the same as for a CD: $. My Soft Parade pressing actually sounds quite good: The Doors – The Soft Parade (1970, Terre Haute Pressing, Gatefold, Vinyl) Chrome_Head, Jun 9, 2021. SACD vs. Tom Favata, Apr 9, 2021. This first example compares MoFi' s Music From Big Pink - LP vs. . It is now showing as ‘in stock’ on the Acoustic Sounds. I was a teen in the 60's and don't remember them sounding this bad. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Yes, but SACD's extend far above redbook. Data read from an SHM CD is no different to the data red from an ordinary CD. The higher resolution of the blu ray might also explain the audible tape hiss not heard on the cd. Roland. $12. Which format do you like the most, or find to be the closest to the original master tapes? Or, if you attend live concerts (or play and instrument), which format do you prefer and why? wenterprisesnw 02-04-2000 7:53pm. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me. Just trust your ears, as I do mine. New items New comments Author list Series Latest content Latest updates Latest reviews. I have a few titles on both vinyl, r2r, cd and SACD. . I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". SACD. label will be coming to hybrid stereo SACD (playable on all CD players) as well as to audiophile-standard UltraDisc One-Step 180-gram, 45 RPM vinyl. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. SACD vs VINYL. I have most of the recordings you mention and they're all great. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. Both vinyl records and Super Audio CDs have. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. SACD vs. I've heard to the contrary, that the QUAD version. I don't like SACD. Australia. 10/disc royalty for CDs. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. 4) Making Movies - muted, no drum slam, muted highs. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. I can't believe there's any real debate over MFSL SACD vs. I'm a pretty big NIN fan, so price isn't a problem, I'm just wondering if the Vinyl player would be higher quality than the SACD Deluxe Version. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. I don't know which is more truthful. The wait is over for the Analogue Productions SACD. I've noticed a surfeit in the cost and availability of SACD's - prices are really cheap for some top notch music, often recorded in Europe with the cost for many disks below $12- with shipping no less! I'm in the process of digitizing my vinyl along with ripping hundreds of CD's to my Mac, but I also like playing a. The Dark Side of the Moon produced two singles: "Money" and "Us and Them. I have to say that after a couple of years of critical listening, I like SACD better. garfish. 00 or less 23 vote(s) 13. Elton John Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (D1) (2004 Rocket SACD HR B0001570-36-1) Elton John Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (D2) (2004 Rocket SACD HR B0001570-36-2) Elton John Honky Château (2004 Rocket SACD HR B0003609-36) CD, SACD vs LP, Vinyl, Album#CD #vinyl #hifiFor those of you who have not seen my complete music room and system tour and LP, CD SACD tour please click on th. CDs are a digital music storage medium, meaning the music is encoded as binary data. meatballz. On the other hand digital has advantages in terms of low noise, low distortion etc so if you value that more, go for the SACD. If. But CDs are fine. . I have the five Steve Wilson blu-ray audio 5. The question of whether SACD sounds better is subjective and nuanced. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. Record labels. disc duplication: The Indie Music Minute. If that makes sense. If the system is highly resolving there is a considerable and sometimes overwhelming difference. It sounds manipulated and phony. Kann man diese beiden Formate vergleichen?Analog und Digital? Geht das?Zum abspielen eines SACD Formats benötigt man einen passenden SACD Player. Rolling Stone ranked them No. I would be interested to hear what you guys think as well!Maybe I should have included the current MOFI SACD & vinyl. Once you listen to the unbelievable sound of the grandfather clock chiming you. All that being written, the dilemma, SACD vs. A lot of pops and crackles ("a lot" for a brand new MFSL vinyl, I mean) on the. KeithH Success With Honor. Hello, I have never listened to a SACD system and would like to know how it compares to vinyl. SACD players have a 8 to 10 second delay as they switch layers and the mastering can be different on different layers, even on the same hybrid SACD. Vinyl depends on a mechanically driven system, and any such system will introduce minute changes in the speed and pitch of playback. SACD, to me, just doesn't sound real, life-like, or true. • 180 Gram Vinyl Record. By Kimo January 22, 2012 in General Forum. Forums. See moreSACD obviously has an advantage on portability and probably overall SQ - but that's still subjective as I might enjoy the "colorization" of vinyl more. Under perfect circumstances, SACD provides an incremental improvement over CD. This stereo UHQR reissue will be limited to 30,000 copies, with gold foil individually numbered jackets, housed in a premium slipcase with a wooden dowel spine. SACD vs. Standard CDs still constitute over 94% of the market, cassettes about 5%, and vinyl LPs easily outselling both new high resolution format discs during the first half of this year 661,000 sold versus only 92,000!. MP3 is a very common form of lossy compression, which can have bit rates from 32 kilobits per second (kbps) up to 320 kbps. Shawn, Dec 8, 2012. It sounds like MoFi master their vinyl and SACD separately. Vinyl. New posts Search forums. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Great sounding discs are much, much more frequent than on redbook, and it comes with none of the hassles of vinyl attached, plus you can rip the redbook layer and take it. Home. Most noticeable is a good front-to-back soundstage and to a lesser extent better timbre. The 2003 hybrid SACD and the MFSL feature the original mix, but they have inferior sound to the JWH tracks which appear on the 1997 Biograph remaster and the 1999 GHII remaster. The SACD is definitely much more forward and vivid across the board, with ringing steel strings and a real bite to the violin. Singles 1969-1973 has a re-record or two, a little remixing, and other touches. So far my favorites from each format are as follows: SACD: Eric Clapton - Journeyman DVD-A: Fleetwood Mac - Rumors DVD (Dolby Digital/DTS): Eagles. Show Printable Version; 12-12-2012, 03:54 AM #31. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. No other version other than their double 45 rpm vinyl (also mediocre) sounds like this. . When I got my better audio system I bought a dedicated two channel Sony SCD-1 player. Like a garage/ alley band. When it comes to the debate of cardioid vs super cardioid for live. Well as I might have expected the SACD was the best. 10 per disc, while the royalty on a DVD-Audio disc was around four times higher. Dec 10, 2005. Midrange is sweet. #13. Hi-res digital audio vs sacd I've got a pretty good setup for vinyl and digital audio files, but I have an opportunity to get a "minty" 10-yr old audiophile-grade CD/SACD player for $350. Page 7 of 10 < Prev 1. Nirvana MTV Unplugged In New York (25th Anniv) (2019 Vinyl DGC B0029512-01) Nirvana MTV Unplugged In New York (Vinyl HR 180G) Paul. As to the two selections, one is the Bob James Trio – “Espresso ” and the second is chlara. Never heard the 2003, soi i can't vote, but the 20016 BG cut sounds amazing to my ears. There isn't an answer as to what sounds better it really is just personal preference. At current SACD and vinyl reissue prices I sure do. On the vinyl, the violin and the acoustic rhythm guitar lay back a bit, and there's a slightly rounded-off, woody tone to the drumming and the bass, and a very, very subtle tunneled, recessed quality to the vocals. In-Stock Music Orders Over $99 SHIP FREE Within The Continental U. When it comes to listening to music, there are two main formats that audiophiles swear by: SACD players and vinyl. I've heard people say that this album isn't recorded as well as the albums to come, and to that I disagree. 98: Whitney Houston / Whitney. 24 bit: Best of the bunch. The Analogue Productions SACD of Pink Floyd ‘s The Dark Side of the Moon is finally shipping after a long wait. I keep reading that the vinyl setup is much better, but that is not my experience. 24. Tony van Veen is the CEO of DIY Media Group, the parent company of Disc Makers and BookBaby. " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. Also, at the very end of the song, you notice some more dramatic quiet spots on the CD, where the SACD seems to be "filled in" a bit more. This is the SACD that was recommended by Steve and it is the best I've heard so far. Head Gear. If you like SACDs, the 2004 reissue of Relaxin’ by the Miles Davis Quintet sounds equally fantastic, albeit a little different with a brighter high end and more noticeable amounts of tape hiss. By Paul Sinclair. Both needed to be set up properly and tracked at their maximum rated vertical tracking force. Note the word “indistinguishable. By meatballz August 2, 2011 in General Hi-Fi Discussion. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. 1 kHz setup. I may have to compare the SHM-SACD or other CD versions to this SACD to see if it improves at all on those. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". There's no real difference between the sound characteristics of vinyl, SACD or CD. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. swinger Member Thread Starter. The real difference. 1% $750-$1,000 15 vote(s) 8. The SACD features the 2018 remix of the iconic 1977 Pink Floyd album for the first time, by long-time producer/engineer James Guthrie. Edit; I forgot I have one. Vinyl can sound utterly amazing at first but eventually you will wear out a record. I don't know which is more truthful. I think I'll go Classic Records Vinyl at least for the first three albums, possibly "Passion" and "Us" too because those are also analog recordings also if I remember correctly. Tell me what you think, do you prefer SACD's or Vinyls because they sound the same to me, only you get the 5. It lacks the deep bass of the Abkco pressing but sounds so much more "vivid" and real. Should I buy the Deluxe edition for my Blu ray player that plays SACD or buy the Vinyl for an actual Vinyl player I would have to buy. Analog Format. I own the SHM-CDs of all the early Steely Dan albums ( Can't Buy A Trill through Gaucho) and I'm more than pleased with the fidelity of these issues. The choice between the two depends on personal preferences and the desired sonic attributes. One of the fun things about this hobby is screwing around. Location: West Hollywood, CA and Inverness, IL. Aug 15, 2012. This music does not sound shrill in the concert hall, and it doesn’t here. Deeper fuller sound across the board. I played the SACD in my Sony XA5400ES SACD. The SHM concept is nonsense , its no different to those magic markers that you were supposed to color the edges of your CD's with. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. It has long been believed that the human ear cannot hear frequencies above 22 kHz. I collect and have sizable collection of vinyl from 23 years of solid collecting. I live near a JVC distributor and have access to many of the titles. Endymion, Apr 22, 2015. And I'm not all that hot on CDs. 1. I did a similar shoot out to yours above with the sax and vocal section at the end of Avalon with the SACD and UK first press vinyl. • UHQR Vinyl Record. SACD- smooth, mellow sound. $750. sacd superior to rbcd Login / RegisterAllowing for the quality of the youtube audio , that is pretty much what you would expect to hear from those 3 different masters and Its not really fair to say its a CD vs SACD vs Vinyl thing. Since this is just for SACD vs SACD I'll start a thread on my preferred mastering for jazz and classical for all digital formats. Please login or register an accountlogin or register an accountSACD vs CD-do you listen and compare SACD/CD layers on your discs? Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by BSC, Apr 13, 2015. You're comparing a fully mature fomat (vinyl) with what, 80 years of development behind it, to one with 4 years or so. Dynamics are out of this world. Smoother, more open, and slightly fuller than redbook, without the added distortion of vinyl or the oddness in the upper registers heard on SACD. My sony bdps590 sacd output in lcpm to my AVR sounds different to my Cambridge audio dvd89 analogue out and foobar2000 lcpm out. At least they aren’t loudified. Maybe but so far my experience with mofi's SACD vs vinyl has not been good for SACS. In the vinyl vs. CCR SACD vs new vinyl. Sep 23, 2022. I did the comparison via my Stax Lambda Pro headphone system (which can be quite revealing). Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. Anyone here made such a comparison ?, if so. The newest stuff I have is Pixies, and that's late '80s to early '90s. I have to say that 3 songs into the SACD I shut it off and went back to the vinyl. But they always compares SACD vs CD on the same player. . I compared the 2003 SACD and the Mofi: the noise is certainly clearer on the Mofi, but it's present on the 2003. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. 1kHz/16-bit digital audio is indistinguishable from high-resolution digital. In fact, it's a good sign that the music isn't overly compressed. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. Share Jun 15, 2007 at 8:50 AM Post #29 of 33 Forest Design 100+ Head-Fier. Even the UBP-X700 (cheaper) does SACD. I like both; but am buying more hi-q vinyl than SACD, DVD-A, or HDCD simply because remastered 180g vinyl is easier to find in the genres I listen to: Rock, alt-rock, blues, some jazz, and oldies. I will add this is one album I prefer listening to on CD (the MFSL release) or especially SACD vs vinyl so take my opinion with a grain of salt. SteelyTom likes this. " For classical I prefer SACD due to the format's running time though. . I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and onl. 15 on its list of the 20 Greatest Duos of All Time. Mirror Image Forum Resident. Every time. I'm a vinyl lover, then DSD, then PCM. " Arrival Date To Be Announced " for the others. Very pleasing, I like it. The latest in this long history is a double-blind test that, the authors conclude, demonstrates that 44. Also, I know that SACD didn't really catch on, but I see. comparing your AV receiver's DAC to your CD player's DAC is completely valid. I hate the snaps clicks and pops of vinyl. 7 gigabytes per disk (as much as a DVD), SACD can accommodate separate stereo and six-channel mixes of 100 minutes each. Location: KC Chiefs Kingdom. That means engineers have a much narrower range to work with when they’re mixing and mastering the audio, and the result, for the listener, is that the stereo “image” is highly constricted. Thank you. 8224 MHz. Search titles only By:Zucchero "Sugar" Fornaciari - Miserere (Overture)1. If you prefer extended frequency in the. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. . I, obviously, played the vinyl on my Clearaudio Concept TT. Moody Blues "Question of bal. I am not sure if it is a great. 10/disc royalty for CDs. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. You can remain judicious in selecting your choices. Noone else has a date. Half-speed mastered at Abbey Road Studios and pressed on 180g audiophile vinyl. Both sound great but I only want to keep one. Pepper hit the charts. Consequently, the Super Audio CD (SACD) was developed by Philips and Sony. For vinyl releases, I have this pressing, a MFSL pressing and a late 70's/early 80's US pressing (which is now pretty worn) and I prefer the MFSL version. SACD debate, there is no definitive answer to which format offers the ultimate listening experience. Consequently, the Super Audio CD (SACD) was developed by Philips and Sony. #6. Recent MoFi controversy spurred me to compare sound of MoFi Vinyl to CD, SACD to CD, DSD to FLAC. 7 gigabytes per disk (as much as a DVD), SACD can accommodate separate stereo and six-channel mixes of 100 minutes each. The SACD I found is always better, that’s if you have the right SACD player like the DMP. I received Hank Mobley, Mobley's Message and also Jackie. Well, the NS500V has been burning in for about 60 hours now (the SACD demo disk on infinite repeat), so I figured I'd do a comparison to our aging. SACD Players SACD stands for Super Audio CD. The overall mastering job is superior on the Abkco releases and the detail is greater on both the SACD and vinyl reissuses. Vinyl. Fred Dender and Grampire like this. 112 posts total. I would think that the Vinyl will sound better than the standard CD. Thread starter mosttoysrk; Start date Sep 25, 2007; Help Support MartinLogan Audio Owners Forum:. Then I bought the new SACD version. I was still unconvinced. But again, I'd love to be proven wrong. Hard to say which sounds better, but they both sound very hard to top. Vinyl. KevinP Forum introvert. It sounds great; a very good remastering job. 1 remixes which I love. Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by fluffskul, Apr 26, 2012. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. Hi commsysman. Way. Well I have the MFSL vinyl of Desire, and reckon it's pretty darn good. But I do own the original US CD and '93 remaster, along with the vinyl which is a skip-fest sadly. I think my buying strategy just morphed into buying a few LPs which I really want and then stocking up on the less expensive SACDs, particularly if the. SHM-SACD vs Original LP/Original LP-rip, Original CD and other reissues. Followers 0SACD, DVD-A, vs CD. Vinyl: SACD offers digital precision, while vinyl provides analog warmth and character. Like the DVD, SACD was a dual-layer format, but instead of one or two high-density layers, the SACD could have a high-density layer and a CD-compatible layer, so the. First, All music is on Vinyl. Music41 said: ↑. November 4th for CBAT. While vinyl records, in theory, directly encode a smooth audio wave, CDs sample that audio wave at various points and then collate those samples. Video and Audio Formats on Plastic – Part 3 is an introduction to audio formats on CD, SACD, DVD, DVDA and Blu-Ray. Quote: Originally Posted by daltonlanny CD's actually have a better signal to noise ratio in the top octave, and better dynamic range in the upper octave than SACD's do. CD vs. The fact that the DSD pulse train VISUALLY happens to look more like the analog signal than the string of binary numbers that result from PCM encoding is meaningless - since both must be converted to analog audio anyway. SACD. The 777ES does not perform at its best upon power-on. SACD vs. It. The initial presentation changed from relatively mechanical to one with atmosphere and naturalness. Even on masterings I'm not all that happy with, the deep soundstage is there. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. 192 is significantly better and DXD (352) is even better. Plan9 Mastering Engineer. Moody Blues "Question of bal. redbook vs. I don't know which is more truthful. But, Keith's drumming track seems lack lustre and 'dull', imo. The MoFi also has surface noise,while the Abkco vinyl is near silent. By Paul Sinclair. Denon - DCD-A110 SACD/CD Player.